Online Realist Newsletter

Serving the Online Atheist and Agnostic Community

Howard Thompson (Gofreemind), Editor

Number 8 -- March 4, 1996

You can find our community at keyword "aclu," click on "Constitution Hall," "Bill of Rights Bulletin Board," and click on either "Freedom of Religion" or "First Amendment Religious Mi(norities)."

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Copyright c 1996 by Howard Thompson.


Contents:


HypatiaSM Joins ACLU AOL Staff

Our former Atheism co-host, Susan Menchaca (HypatiaSM) joined the ACLU AOL staff as of February 12th. She will host chat rooms in the ACLU Freedom Hall and help out with conferences. The first two chats are a revival of our old 10:00 P.M. Thursday free-for-all and the popular ladies chat on 11:00 A.M. Sunday (reported erroneously as 10:00 A.M. in the last newsletter). Contact HypatiaSM@aol.com for more information.

Freedom Hall chats will allow Susan to use her AOL tools to get rid of Christian harassers who disrupt by scrolling. We do distinguish the usual evangelizers from disrupters. The profanity we can handle. The scrolling drives people away. Other atheists will no doubt continue chats in the public member's chat rooms and keep our presence alive in the wider arena.

"They've (ACLU) really made me feel welcome and are very friendly and helpful," says Susan. Sounds like a huge change from the Sermoner1's negative attitude and treatment.

Congratulations to Susan! She is once again able to contribute to our community as an AOL volunteer. HIP, HIP, HURRAH!


Christ in the Box

Fast food style holy communion packets are catching on with protestants. The packets contain a small plastic cup of wine or juice and a wafer. The National Baptist Convention is encouraging the use of the packets for their 8.5 million members. Catholic churches are spurning this cutting edge advance in ritual cannibalism in favor of the shared cup and hand delivered wafers. [From an article by Lori Sharn in the February 16, 1996 USA Today.]

Young Realists e-mail Club Starting

You're young, living at home, and don't have enough money to be on AOL as much as you'd like. We've all been there. It's worse when you're a young unbeliever wanting to talk to someone other than Christians.

So, The Online Realist Newsletter, with the gracious volunteer help of TxBluEyes (Diane) and Moonsurfr (Rachel) is sponsoring a young realists E-mail list. Using flash sessions for E-mail is a lot cheaper than trying to keep up with folders online.

If you're young and want to talk to other realist, then send an E-mail to TxBluEyes and Moonsurfr. They'll compile the list and send it back out to everyone. That way, you've got a list of other young atheists and agnostics for correspondence. All you have to do after that is E-mail everyone on the list (by putting all their names separated by commas in the To: box on the mail form) and share your opinions.

It's also a good idea to spend a little time online in the Atheist Teen folder and post at least a "hello" to let others know that there are atheist teens to talk to.


Yahoo for Local Control - Ooops!

Ahhh, local control. The words conjure fantasies of industrious communities of decent folk freed from the heavy control of Washington to do what's right. Getting the pointy headed bureaucrats off our backs, is the appeal of local control. After all, who knows better than you and your neighbors what's best for your community?

The glories of local control have just been demonstrated in Tennessee. The Tennessee State Senate has passed legislation encouraging the posting of the Ten Commandments in homes, schools, businesses and places of worship. The bill was passed with only one fool dissenter crazy enough to buck the religious right's grip on the state.

So, three cheers for local control! In Tennessee, it means a return to the faith of the founders that has been perverted by meddlesome federal laws. "It is time we get back to the basics of morality," said the bill's sponsor Ben Atchley of Knoxville. That's the spirit! Too bad the nasty old federal government still pays lip service to civil rights and the first amendment. (Additional information from Duh Yup Uh).


Atheists Make Buchanan's Enemies List

Some say that having good enemies makes life more interesting and meaningful. By this standard, atheism far surpasses other ideologies. The following appeared in Anthony Lewis' column in the February 26, 1996 issue of the New York Times.
"In a speech to the Heritage Foundation last month Mr. Buchanan asked whose rights had been protected by the Supreme Court. He did not mention such principal beneficiaries as women, racial minorities, or the press. His answer was criminals, atheists, homosexuals, flag-burners, illegal immigrants (including terrorists), convicts and pornographers'."
How charming of Pat to lump us in with all the others who shouldn't have civil rights. If it upsets you to have the potential GOP presidential nominee think so lowly of us, think how uncomfortable you'd feel if he said he liked us.

Atheist Contacts Web Page

There is a web page that maintains an international contact list for atheists. The list is down to the city level. All you have to do to be listed is go to the page and follow the instructions. The list is fairly new and not yet heavily populated.

We all owe Ben Sutter, the web page's creator, a big thanks for offering another service for the online realist community. So, sign on and meet some new friends. If all those receiving the Online Realist Newsletter entered their names on this list, the average city of 500,000 would have 19 names listed.

The page address is: http://www.sdsmt.edu/caa-bin/contact/.


State-Church Celebration Month

(From HHFORESTER)
"On 28 December 1995 Gov. Lowry of Washington state proclaimed January to be Celebrate State/Church Separation Month. On 29 Jan 1996 Mayor Geraghty of Spokane, Washington made a similar proclamation for Spokane. Spokane Chapter, Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) was instrumental in getting both of these issued."
This will no doubt be followed by sanctimonious howls of outrage from fundies proclaiming that our nation was founded by Christians.

Taxes for Colorado Churches

(From JacMid)
"The Secretary of State of Colorado announced that the initiative to place on the November ballot a proposal to tax the property of Churches and other non-profits has succeeded in obtaining enough signatures from legitimate voters."
The Constitutional initiative was sponsored by Coloradans For Fair Property Taxation and collected 88,000 signatures. The issue attracted support partly due to recent activities of Colorado religious right organizations like Rev. James Dobson's Focus on The Family organization in Colorado Springs. It is encouraging that open opposition to the religious right can attract so much support.

Scary Christian Quotations

"Satan . . . is as dangerous as we allow him to be. His primary weapon is deceit, and he uses it to prevent Christians from exercising the authority that is truly theirs in this world." (Pat Robertson, The Secret Kingdom, P. 207, 1st edition, 1982).

"We need strong school board members who know right from wrong. The Bible, being the only true source of right and wrong, should be the guide of board members. Only Godly Christians can truly qualify for this critically important position . . . " (How to Elect Christians to Public Office, P.4, by Dr. Robert L. Simonds, President, National Association of Christian Educators.)

"America is now groaning! Atheistic secular humanists should be removed from office and Christians should be elected." (How to Elect Christians to Public Office, P. iii, by Dr. Robert L. Simonds, President, National Association of Christian Educators.)

Speaking of Barney, PBS's purple dinosaur kid show, "... straight out of the New Age and the world of demons and devils... a pro-liberal, politically correct, teacher of the current social values being promoted by the new generation of 'One Worlders.' America is under siege from the powers of darkness . . . " (Rev. Joseph Chambers, from Cox News Service report by Scott Shepard in Austin American-Statesman 11/25/93. Chambers runs a four state radio ministry in North Carolina.)

"Popular television is flooded with filth and violence; MTV, VH-1, and pop radio stations are sewers of obscenity, rebellion and violence; pop magazines promote the vilest forms of pornography and a form of materialism, selfishness, and greed that has fallen to the lowest levels in human history." (Pat Robertson, The New World Order, P.222-223, 1991.)


Editorial: The Invisible Minority

What future do realists have in America?

The United States is one of Western Civilization's more open, pluralistic societies. We have groups based on gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnic heritage, employment, industry, religion, environmental issues, politics, hobbies and just about anything else that brings people with common interests together.

There is an exception. The realists, who accept reality and reject the supernatural, have no significant infrastructure. Realists are no competition in the cultural warfare waged by Christians. We live in conquered territory. We are tolerated by the dominant Christian culture so long as we cause no trouble by asserting our voice in public issues.

Realists of whatever kind (agnostics, atheists, rationalists, free thinkers, humanists, skeptics, nontheists) are America's invisible minority. We are the silent, powerless outsiders in America's supernatural social and cultural life. Realists are unwanted guests at America's celebration of magic.

We must listen to God prayers as the price of attending government functions. Legislatures open with prayers by government chaplains. School graduations still begin with prayers. Local government meetings often begin with prayer. Governments frequently issue proclamations honoring a prayer day, week or month.

Ordinary consumer transactions use money marked with "in God we trust," our official national motto. Public buildings display religious statements. Our pledge of allegiance is to, "one nation under God." Public holidays honor Christian mythology at Easter and Christmas, celebrating the mythology of Jesus' birth and rebirth.

Federal taxes support official religion in the armed forces with chaplain officers commissioned by Congress. Our children study text books censored by religious activists. Our right to choose our manner of death is criminalized as murder. Our reproductive rights to control our bodies are under violent attack from religion. Our attempts to sanely cope with sexuality and emotional dysfunction are attacked as Satanic humanism.

Realists may not get hired by "Christian" businesses if their disbelief becomes known. Realists may find promotions and opportunities denied by Christian managers who favor fellow Christians, or even members of their own church. Christians in government may deny realists equal treatment through selective application of regulations and laws. Christian landlords may not rent to avowed atheists.

`Realists in America are an unorganized group without voice, without purpose, without power. We have no protection from religious cultural bias beyond the Constitutional rights our courts may occasionally protect. Realists are America's invisible minority.

Who is to blame? Why, we are, of course. We have exactly the amount of public voice and power we have earned for ourselves -- virtually none. We have worked for nothing, built nothing, and have nothing to carry forward our slim cultural heritage.

If our invisible, powerless status within Christian culture is ever to change, we must do it for ourselves. That change can only begin in the minds of realists who choose to act to make things different.

Change begins with accepting the reality of our existence in America. It begins with introspection that refuses to accept second class status. It begins with recognizing the value of organizing and joining together. It begins in individual realist minds that see how things are and choose to act for change.

Change scares most people. If we choose inaction from fear, nothing will ever change. Realists acting for change will be scary, it will rouse opposition, it will make fearful realists uncomfortable. Acting for change is also our only hope for a better future for ourselves and a society freed from supernaturalism.

Is get-along-to-go-along atheism good enough? Have we nothing to contribute to human progress? What future will we leave for younger realists? What will your mind choose?


Letters to the Editor

Was (Sir Walter Raleigh) an atheist? First, some facts from freethinker J. M. Robertson's and atheist David Tribe's works:

Because of his connection with the poetic group known as the "school of night," led by Thomas Harriot and including Christopher Marlowe and George Chapman, he was accused of being an atheist. Robertson, after researching Raleigh's writings, considers Raleigh "a deist, given to free discussion." But in Raleigh's History of the World (1614), written in the Tower, if it is authentic, Raleigh makes clear his belief in deity and repudiates atheism and pantheism: "I do also account it an impiety monstrous, to confound God and Nature, be it but interms."

Queen Elizabeth, however, reportedly called Raleigh an atheist. In 1899 papers by Thomas Kyd were found in which Kyd, who had been arrested for atheism, said he got the papers from Marlowe and denied all sympathy with the views expressed. However, F. S. Boas in Fortnightly Review (1899) concluded that the material was a vehement Unitarian argument on Scriptural grounds and was much more likely to have been written by Francis Kett than by Marlowe. Whatever the facts, it was a time when rationalism was becoming more and more popular and a time when persecution of nonbelievers increased the zeal of those who objected to such persecutions.

My own inclination is to take Raleigh at his word, that he was neither an atheist nor a pantheist. But neither was he a devout believer. A rationalist, perhaps, in our current use of that word. But he didn't have that antireligious bug that I have, the kind that Lucretius, Nietzsche, Freud, and Russell had. Or as Paul Edwards and Gore Vidal have today.

Warren Allen Smith
wasm@haven.ios.com


Events, Notices, Groups

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AGNOSTICS & ATHEISTS OF WISCONSIN
Contact mbr@execpc.com.
ATHEIST ALLIANCE
Contact Talkeetna@aol.com.
A nationwide coalition of atheist groups.
ATHEIST NETWORK
Contact atheism@wally.hti.net (Gipson Arnold)
A Houston area group affiliated with the Atheist Alliance.
Web page http://www.hti.net/www/atheism/
ATHEISTS UNITED
Contact KhBonnell@aol.com
A Los Angeles area group that is fairly large and active.
COLORADO SPRINGS FREETHINKERS
Contact JacMid@aol.com
Affiliated with the Freedom From Religion Foundation
HUMANIST ASSOCIATION OF GREATER SACREMENTO
...and Atheists and Other Freethinkers groups are now on the Internet.
The address is: http://www.cwo.com/~pkelley/index.html
NORTH TEXAS CHURCH OF FREETHOUGHT
A Dallas-Ft. Worth community of unbelievers. Contact Tolstoy II (Susan).
PORTLAND OREGON ATHEISTS
Contact Kerflouie@aol.com (Cliff).
POST CHRISTIAN SUPPORT GROUP
Contact postxian@aol.com.
Austin, Texas. We meet the 2nd and 4th Sunday of each month at 1:30. 512/505-6889.
SET FREE!
Contact Jcnot4me@aol.com.
an activist anti-Christian organization in Southern California. We have held demonstrations at Christian revivals, public debates with clergy, and have picketed and leafleted churches. This is NOT your typical "do-nothing" organization. Meetings are periodic, "as the spirit moves us."
SPOKANE (Freedom From Religion Foundation chapter)
Contact hhforester@aol.com
P.O. Box 436, Greenacres, WA 99016.

Chat Rooms

The two locations for atheist chats are the ACLU Freedom Hall and the A OL public chat rooms.
FREEDOM HALL CHAT
10 P.M. to 12 A.M. EST in the ACLU area Freedom Hall Contact SOKCamelot
LADIES MORNING OUT
Contact HypatiaSM@aol.com (Susan)
Sunday morning AOL chat room for atheist & agnostic ladies, 11:00 A.M. EST.
THURSDAY EVENING CHAT
Every Thursday night at about 8:30PM CST a public AOL room is opened called "Atheists Online." (SpcForce).

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